The Left Now Mocks Moms Who Care About Their Children

witness the mockery! http://tinyurl.com/mf268z

23 votes

#1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:09 PM EDT

Socalgal

So much for that tolerance they are always preaching about.

30 votes

#1.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:42 PM EDT

exactly; the left is very intolerant...for all of its stated liberalism

28 votes

#1.2 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:44 PM EDT

Brandon-801865Restored

Was she a paid Republican staffer, hired by Conservative "think tanks" (oxymoron) like most of the armed, Town Hall protesting wingnuts?

60 votes

#1.3 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:11 PM EDT

The left mocks BS. Google Raegans speech to school children. Then tell me about hypocrisy.

54 votes

#1.4 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:40 PM EDT

Agent 57

actually I pity her,,, she needs professional help if the Pres giving a speech affects her in such a way...

57 votes

#1.5 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:57 PM EDT

KGMO

I'm a Liberal. I have children. I send them to school to learn.

I belive that when the President says to students you should work hard and get good grades, it is helping parents and teachers by reinforcing what we are telling our children.

So simple even a wingnut can understand.

83 votes

#1.6 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:35 PM EDT

Mike-475880

I pity her too. Talk about overreacting. As far as mocking..I think the wingnuts have that market cornered.

51 votes

#1.7 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:36 PM EDT

Talk about overreacting

Talk about overACTING. There I fixed for you.

31 votes

#1.8 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:06 AM EDT

Hey Head thanks for the LINK add to my seed...

Lets set the record straight eh? In no way is this mother (meaning me) of two teenagers making a mockery about a sniveling women crying about our President of the the United States of America giving a speech supporting education. No NO no... I leave that up to the reader and the video provided, she does it to herself quite nicely.

Although it's pretty freakin H I L A R I O U S when you consider the fact that she doesn't allow her children to think for themselves and come to the dinner table to discuss what the speech even entails! That's some parenting... Yikes!

Thank goodness I was taught to think for myself, not how someone else wants to mold me.

Have a good day creating a panic when there is NO NEED!

53 votes

#1.9 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:43 AM EDT

"It is easy to mock parents, especially if you aren't one, or if you are a callous hearted left winger."

Don't have to be a left winger, just a sane, rational person. As a non-label, I think these people who believe Obama addressing school children, is some covert, subversive, mind washing session, seriously need help. Seriously, how many people are REALLY on board with this protest? Are there really this many paranoid people in the US? Damn, I guess the fear salesmen have closed well. I take pity on any parent who believes a short speech by any president can wipe out 18 years of their influence. Weak, very, very weak.

43 votes

#1.10 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:47 AM EDT

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Kshark:

What is it about Obama that scares you? Come on, be real. You're afraid 30 minutes of encouragement from the first President of non, 100% white ethnicity, is somehow going to brainwash your kid? Have your kids ever been exposed to anything that you weren't monitoring? Babysitter? Daycare? Do you want your kids to be independent thinkers? Are you afraid they might like him? Really, what exactly are your fears, and why do you have those fears? Please provide a factually based foundation for them.

38 votes

#1.12 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:49 AM EDT

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Kshark

C'mon now... no need to get into the name calling. I didn't read that into what Teemin was typing?

I did want to mention though that Reagan's little speech was spewed out to school children just the same as Obamas is going to be and Bush Sr. was... It doesn't matter the month/time/day... it's all the same:

President/Speech/Children

Just different years and different men that's all... Get it?

33 votes

#1.14 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:05 AM EDT

dar63

Agent 57

she needs professional help if the Pres giving a speech affects her in such a way...

Hmmmm....right. It is much more befitting when the masses swoon and faint....

8 votes

#1.15 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:11 AM EDT

DoYouHaveAFlag?--

C'mon now... no need to get into the name calling. I didn't read that into what Teemin was typing?

Of course not, you two are already thinking along the exact same lines. So of course you wouldn't see wrong with what they said.

I did want to mention though that Reagan's little speech was spewed out to school children just the same as Obamas is going to be and Bush Sr. was... It doesn't matter the month/time/day... it's all the same:

President/Speech/Children

And you know what Bush Sr's speech was met with protest and resistance. He had also been in office since 1989, his speech was in 1991. The Democrats surely did issue protests over it.

I already mentioned the bit of details about Reagan's speech. And yes it does matter to an extent of when the speeches happen(ed).

Just different years and different men that's all... Get it?

I get it more than you do.

But you know what the funny thing is, you didn't even bother asking me what I did think of the other speeches. But I am guess I am lucky that I don't even remember them, nor do I even care what they did say.

I don't need a President telling me this and that blah blah about school, that is what I had my parents for.

10 votes

#1.16 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:15 AM EDT

Kshark:

"You made the insulting assumption I have fears, that I am scared of Obama, that I am oooo against a half black president, you assumed I even have kids.

You've made such an obligatory arse of yourself, anything I do say you will continue to insult me anyway. Don't bother denying it, I already know that is precisely what you will do."

Wow!!!! Get defensive much? I asked you some questions. I was curious why you feel the way you do about a POTUS addressing kids about the importance of education, hard work, and what they thought he was asking them to do. If not fear of something, then what is your objection? I sincerely apologize. There was no "attack" intent involved. I'm seriously curious as to the mindset of someone who has a problem with a POTUS speaking to children. I haven't met anyone in person that has a problem with it. Many of your posts express what I perceive as fear. Sorry for the mis-perception.

26 votes

#1.17 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:31 AM EDT

Kshark:

"But I am guess I am lucky that I don't even remember them, nor do I even care what they did say."

But you remember the Dems had a problem with them? Got a link? Also, if you don't even care what they had to say, why do you care what Obama might say? And if you don't have kids, what's the worry?

19 votes

#1.18 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:39 AM EDT

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Teeminimartunis--

You did NO such thing of merely asking me questions. Your questions were flat out loaded, beyond assuming and slanted.

You have just completely made my point.

I was curious why you feel the way you do

And you could have simply replied in this very manner and asked this very question, you did not, you went directly to the personal accusations.

But you remember the Dems had a problem with them? Got a link?

Pick any link ya want.

Also, if you don't even care what they had to say, why do you care what Obama might say?

Because of his current 8 month track record as President. And because the talking points of what he was GOING to say were leaked, and because they were leaked he has now had to backtrack. Perhaps it is that people don't really know what he is going to say that is posing a problem. By now he also could have completely changed of what he was originally going to say given all the protests and complaints. No one has any idea what he is going to say and people don't trust him given the last 8 months.

I don't really trust him, given what he has done these past 8 months (and yeah I did originally support him I would have taken Obama over Palin anyday however, with what he has done he has lost my support for now) and given his political stance, I think he is way to far left. Obama is the antithesis of Bush. The voting pendulum swung from far right to far left and candidates have had a real problem learning they need to be more central thinking, more moderate. This far whatever side is crippling the country.

And if you don't have kids, what's the worry?

Because the real smart thing would truly have been for the speech to occur in evening hours where parents and kids can watch it together, and then discuss when finished, and if during parents have a problem they could switch it off.

That would have been the best method in my opinion, of any President doing this. His speech is going to cover grades K-12, what kids below grade 9 are really going to pay attention, or bother or care? Bringing those questions to the forefront why make a speech for kids too young too pay attention or care. It doesn't make sense to me. 9-12 a bit different, but K-8, why.

I would have bet ANY amount of money had Bush Junior wanted to do this in either one of his terms, especially in the second term, All hell would have broken lose and been a bigger sh*tfest than this. I definitely would not have my kids, if I had any, watch that without me.

Thank you for the apologies, but no it is not fear, it is critical thinking on my part, and I guess I am in the minority. I won't speak for Republicans about their issues, they have their reasons and I won't speak for them, I am only speaking for myself, however I am not going to call Republicans whackjobs psychotic, sickos, loons, and whatever other words about this either. 8 years this country and even around the world we watched Bush being ripped to shreds, insulted, ridiculed everything under the sun of such monumental proportions by Democrats. The shoe is now on the other foot. This is what I don't like about either political party, and no I do not object to a 2 party system, I object to how both parties are acting. And if I had kids, I wouldn't want to subject them to either side without me being there to talk things over with them, unless they were old enough to understand for themselves.

So that is my reasoning.

6 votes

#1.19 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:51 AM EDT

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

How about a minimum wage that actually reflects the loss in real purchasing power over the last 40 years.

That would mean a current minimum wage of $16.00 per hour. That would help struggling parents raise their kids.

17 votes

#1.20 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:40 AM EDT

Texasrodeoqueen

oh, yes! "The LEFT" the reich wing (hitler stolen) term for rational, thinking, unbrainwashed people.

Keep it up, reich wing think tanks and linguists! Your sickening brainwashing works on some of our most frail, ignorant and easily manipulated population. Watch them suck your propaganda up and cry about a majority elected leader with a mandate try to do his job! Watch them carry guns into town hall meetings!

These are the same people who are hypnotized onstage to act like chickens. Good work, America destroyers!

15 votes

#1.21 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:51 AM EDT

Keep it up, reich wing think tanks and linguists!

Gosh, I like that "reich wing" phrase. Would it be okay with you if I used it in some of my posts?

7 votes

#1.22 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:09 AM EDT

WOW!

A president wants to make a supportive speech to children in school and we regress into a battle about Hitler?

Will everyone please grow up!

Obama is NOT Hitler!

Bush is NOT Hitler!

Hitler is dead! Drop the subject of Hitler and grow up!

If this is your only argument by dragging in Hitler. You need a serious history lesson that was not taught to you in school.

20 votes

#1.23 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:17 AM EDT

took43583

Just the natural progression of online debate, kimi, consistent with Godwin's law.

Of course, the subsequent rule is that the side that compares its opponent to Nazis automatically loses the argument, so as usual the anti-Obama conservatives show their lack of debate skills. When they run out of valid arguments, they shout "that's the same thing Hitler did!" in a last pathetic attempt to prove their point.

14 votes

#1.24 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:05 AM EDT

Steech

So what about the man standing at the crying woman's side. Who are we to assume he is? What are we to make of his laughter at her display of emotion? Is he a left-wing heckler CNN planted beside her to make her look sillier? Or is he someone close to her who is genuinely less moved that he not only holds in the water works, but even manages to crack a smile?

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For the record, I understand that "don't you want your children to have the choice to decide for themselves?" doesn't quite fly with parents of small children. Elementary school kids don't have a need to decide ideological sides. They should be exposed only to sanitized, general advice on the benefits of being cool by staying in school, reading, and staying active. The thing that defines the hysteria that ranges from grumpy stubbornness to crying on cable TV is the mistake that the president will not say these things tomorrow, but that he will "indoctrinate" them with political marching orders.

Five days of reasoning has not helped assure these people. The only thing that can assure them is the truth, tomorrow at noon. My prediction is that a majority of people who oppose the president giving fatherly advice will not even watch it in attempts to confirm their fears. If I'm right, they'll instead rely on the constellation of right wing blogs that will filter, cut, and paste anything in the message that can possibly be misinterpreted (again a prediction: by this point the stakes are so high that the speeches will be sanitized beyond even the normal standards, and if there is anything remaining to be misinterpreted it is more likely to just sound weird than scary). Perhaps a few people will be embarrassed, but it isn't in the far-right character to be embarrassed, less so to admit to being embarrassed. It is practically heresy to admit one's emotions once frothed in vain.

I remember playing Super Street Fighter II on Sega Genesis at a friend's house during my high school years. There was some basic move M. Bison could do that was really hard to counter. One's opponent could be lining up an awesome combo, or just be playing a balanced game of attack and defense. But if you wanted to be cheap, pressing the same button over and over could literally ruin the fun of the game. The conservative strategists have found such a move in the single button access to the public's hysteria.

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The author attached a link to a story with the opposing view. I hope this indicates a genuine commitment to entertaining the other side of the argument.

Those interested in reading another may find something interesting in http://heliobat.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/04/3225871-former-indoctrinated-student-speaks-out-they-told-me-to-read. I was hoping people would choose a story to talk like adults on. There are a bajillion vines like this one where people insult each other. Perhaps that's the way it naturally goes when people's opposed views defy reconciliation. But it also seems that a lot of these vines start off with a taunt, thus inviting the conversation to spiral dizzily further and further down. I tried to host at least one forum that doesn't do that. I would love to hear from those opposed to tomorrow's speech, in adult tones. So far I haven't heard from anyone and am afraid people just aren't excited about being nice.

7 votes

#1.25 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:07 AM EDT

Spectator99

Try being a parent, and see how it feels when the State is interfering with your right to parent your child as you see fit. Nothing touches your heart and your emotions more than your children.

What a crock! My wife and I raised two children which we love but not once did we question whether they should listen to a message from the president. By the way, they are self supporting and good citizens.

It is interesting that now that we have a black president, people are questioning whether their children should listen to him. This is racism all the way. The religious fundamentalist even claim that he is the anti-Christ. These people are racist nuts and that is all.

21 votes

#1.26 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:09 AM EDT

Independentandproud

Spectator, thats out of line. You cant compare all who disagree with him to Racists, I know many people who disagree with him, they arent in the least bit racist

3 votes

#1.27 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:41 AM EDT

LS-415070

Amen, Spectator. This is not about politics. It's about education. And the value of education. As an educator, my kids know I'm all about the education and learning. It's the most valuable gift anyone can give themselves. Our President has chosen to speak to ALL the children to tell them school is valuable and important and they should continue their education and be life-long learners.

Somehow this has turned into a debate of brainwashing! In 18 minutes??? Somehow I don't think so.

Should we all listen to this message? You bet! Should we listen to what our President has to say? You bet! Do we have to agree? NO, but we should listen first!! Rather than making stupid assumptions!

16 votes

#1.28 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT

Head, what do you have against the elderly? I saw your last post disregarding the elderly. A society that views its elderly as garbage is doomed. They are our wisdom and our guidance. Why should the govt make it easier for parents to parent? Newsflash, parenting is a very difficult job and it is not up to the gov to make it easier. You are probably one to bitch about socialism but yet you want the gov interferance in doing the parent's job. I for one feel the woman on CNN had a few screws loose. There is a lot more @!$%# you can cry about than the president giving a speech to children. Frankly, I am tired of the ignorance and the fear mongering as it is bordering on the verge of mental illness.

14 votes

#1.29 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:58 AM EDT

NYPeach

Let them mock. It's all they have left. They can't defend the Bama and they can't defend his policies....so this is all they have left to play. Let them mock...let the people of America see them for the mindless jackasses they are.

6 votes

#1.30 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:13 AM EDT

Norcal2

Maybe it is because the speech has not even been released yet that it is so easy to mock a crying mother who isn't quite sure what she is crying over except that only this President should not speak to students?

I'm just sayin...

11 votes

#1.31 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT

Spectator99

NYPeach

They can't defend the Bama and they can't defend his policies....so this is all they have left to play. Let them mock...let the people of America see them for the mindless jackasses they are.

I don't need to defend our democratically elected president against the absurd racist rantings of a small minority. Fox News feeds the paranoia of the ignorant and gets them to see evil conspiracies everywhere. If and when the GOP climbs out of the gutter, they will address issues and not the irrational paranoid fantasies of ignorant racist. Of course then Fox would have no viewers.

16 votes

#1.32 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:40 AM EDT

economics101

Im not sure how this speech is interfering with rainsing kids .... I expect that fearmongering amongs "Moms" is equally interfering but what do I know. I am a Liberal, and I have seen nothing in any of these posts that concerns me for the welfare of my kids. Certainly I am more concerned about the scholl not teaching kids in my teenaged daughter's class about sex ed, but presumably these kids are going to learn it at home .... or maybe at the planned parenthood offices ....

12 votes

#1.33 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:41 AM EDT

brenda-311995Deleted

Norcal2

Brenda staying in school is a great message for all students.

11 votes

#1.35 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT

brenda, your post shows your ignorance. I am sorry for you.

7 votes

#1.36 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:39 PM EDT

Aalaf Alot

One Word -----> "KARMA"

The children of Weeping Willow is crying about Obama giving a speech to her children. The Right Wingers are screaming about Obama giving a speech to their children. It so wrong, it bad, it evil, blah blah blah. It OK for Republican President to give speech to children but not the other way around.

Obama is the current President of the United States. POTUS is Person of authority and leader of USA. Regardless on if you agree or disagree with the current POTUS, there should be some type of respect for a Person of Authority and POTUS.

These Right Wing Parents are teaching their kids not to respect a Person of Authority even if you disagree with the person.

The Kids get older and learn to mimic their parents. The Parents are Person of Authority and leader of the household. Guess what? Your kids going act like you and show disrespect for you the parent.

Also, Police(men/women), Teachers, Fireman, their future Boss, Head of NRA, and many others are Person of Authority. They are people of Authority and leaders in some degree. Do you want your kids to show disrespect, acting like Weeping Willow, scream, yell, and act in way present by Right Wing Conservatives?

If there disrespect for POTUS, there going to disrespect for law enforcement, teachers, their bosses, and you the parent. If a parents act like a like a Right Wing Nut, their kids are going to act same way to you.

"KARMA"

8 votes

#1.37 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT

mike-330799

People on the left just love to mock anything that (to them) smacks of being less sophisticated than they are; what with their big, wrinkly, thinky-brains.

The way they choose to raise their children is the optimal way, anyone who disagrees and would like some say in the process is a wing nut.

Their politicians are all bright, attractive, morally pure individuals who would never stoop to manipulating the public, while the political right does nothing but plant corporate shills in the guise of regular folks to stir up the baseless emotions of all of those hysterical, ignorant wing nuts. (Why the need for the classroom materials that go along with the speech? Oh, to "help" your children absorb the president's fine, morally pure message.)

Anyone who displays public emotion over something that they consider so trivial as a simple speech to Americas kids must not only be a wingnut, but emotionally unbalanced as well.

Ya know, if all of those uneducated, nut jobs with their guns and religion were only a teensy bit more intelligent, they would see that the Democrat party wants to help them live better lives and then of course they would go along with the program right? That they don't is just proof that they are crazy and stupid. What's not to mock about that? (Oops, did I just make a circular argument?)

Gee, it must sure be fun to be so intelligent that you automatically can deride anyone with the stupidity not to agree with you. Because we all know, mocking people who oppose you is the politically astute thing to do. I mean, once Hugo Chavez got into power, it worked for him right? I wish I had a big, wrinkly, thinky-brain, that went to college and got filled up with every opinion my liberal professors cared to put in it. I just have a lousy Ph.D. in Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry. Awww phooey! I can't mock anyone!

3 votes

#1.38 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT

smpcompdude

Well, it seems the Dems thrashed Bush 1 for doing this from a middle school during his presidency. Gephardt and company had a field day.

Was she a paid Republican staffer, hired by Conservative "think tanks" (oxymoron) like most of the armed, Town Hall protesting wingnuts?

Sorry but most conservative don't have to be paid to protest nonsense. Prove that one. This presidency has awakened a the silent.

The left mocks BS. Google Raegans speech to school children. Then tell me about hypocrisy

Hypocrisy runs rampant and the libbys are not free and clear on this one. Read my first statement in this post.

3 votes

#1.39 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:00 PM EDT

Kshark

I have just finished reading President Obama's speech... and you know you where RIGHT!

I have this overwhelming urge to go down to my local college and register for more classes... OMG I've been hypnotized! Hide the children... Run... run...

13 votes

#1.40 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT

you might find this amusing....http://tinyurl.com/mm8p6k

this is what I would tell the school children if I was Obama.

#1.41 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT

I am going back to college next fall.......enrolling along side my daughter----we'll both be freshmen!

:-)

11 votes

#1.42 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT

Bush Sr. C.I.A. Director supported Osama & Suddam - Men and women are dying today because of him. Bush Jr. went after Suddam because of an assasination attempt on his father. Bush Sr. supplied WMDs to Iraq.. French were in their making weapons, to fight against Iran. Osama was being helped so he could go against the Russians in Afghanastan.. Bush Jr. because of the assasination attempt - got us into a stinking war in Iraq.. declaring there were WMDs - Of course there was until all the inspections by the U.N. but they lied in front of the U.N. and they killed over 4200 men and women - injured 1000's upon 1000's more, never mind the civilians...

You would rather have these Clowns talk to the students than President Obama ? Isn't Killing innocent people and American lives worse than someone going into a school to present a case to stay in school? IF anyone thinks that the Bush Family are just the Gems of society.. then they either have a screw loose or their head is up their ***.

I would love to see the President address the schools in my town.. he would be welcomed with open arms... This guy is trying to salvage the country due to the idiots that were in office.. This is why he is spending money to save your stinken *****.. You keep fighting him.. you will suffer the consequences.. not I .. I'm too old to care or to worry about someone's family other than my own... The Republicans are heading to another Civil War .. and it may just take that to solve the problems. Racist people - Between the Hispanics, the Blacks, and a majority of the whites against people who cannot tell their butts from their elbow.. thats what we have here folks morons.

Morons who are afraid of a guy and his family - I wish there was a Black President before - at least he has lived the sorrows the hardships the struggles within his own family, and can relate to so many millions of other families.. I think anyone against this President should be ashamed .. ashamed to be an American. I fought for this country.. and if I have to I'll fight for it again even at 62

4 votes

#1.43 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:10 PM EDT

Ire

Liberals mock whjat we always mock: unthinking, uninformed, self-indulgent over-reaction.

Does this woman represent the famous "common-sense" that the right is always patting themselves on the back for? If so - you guys can have it.

To be so against a speech, the core message of which is "respect yourself" really displays the shallowness and sheer infantilism of the far right.

But it is your right to raise a bunch of fearful and selfish children , to mold them into hate-filled, fear-filled and greedy creatures just like you.

Keep on whining rightey, the world is changing for the better with or without you. You and other similar groups, like the Taliban, simply provide a bit of drag to the process, that's all.

6 votes

#1.44 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT

Mac-295039

I fought for my country and got sent to a country in the Middle East I could give two S--ts about, but I still went there did my job and brought my fellow buddies home and in one piece. I am ashamed that people will call each other racists, bigots, idiots, and dumb, because they don't roll over and just say, "whatever you want to do Mr. President, I won't ask any question I won't ask how is this going to effect me...you just do what you think is right and we'll just accept whatever happens...."

Come on. I can voice my opinion just like you served your country. But to disagree with the President is something you shouldn't feel ashamed of. We had 8 years of people running around conducting the all well known approach of "Bush-bashing". 8 years of people who de-humanized the man, his wife, and his family. He couldn't say a word without someone bashing how it was said, what was said, what wasnt said, etc. So Obama is learning that same lesson. He is seen as so much more as "the chosen one" that to offer a different outlook or to question his agenda must mean that you are a closet "racist".

I got shot at and shot up in Iraq, I can say whatever I feel like saying about this President and his agenda. As long as I do it in a respectful manner it doesnt matter if I agree to disagree. I am ashamed that if you don't like Obama then others think that something must be wrong with you.

2 votes

#1.45 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT

abolish taxes

Yes they are laughing at the idiocy of getting upset over the President encouraging children to do well in school. Just calm down and try being rational.

4 votes

#1.46 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:46 PM EDT

Bush is NOT Hitler!

You're correct - bush is mussolini. They're both jokes who couldn't win a war.

7 votes

#1.47 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:49 PM EDT

So true!

:-)

3 votes

#1.48 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT

economics101

Actually thats a pretty good analogy .... Now Cheney ???

2 votes

#1.49 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT

Emperor's New Clothes.

2 votes

#1.50 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:59 PM EDT

StephenToo

Mac: There is no one saying you can't disagree with President Obama. No one. You can have a rational opposition to his policies. You can even dislike him personally if you'd like. But someone getting their panties twisted in a bunch because the President of the United States wants to tell kids to work hard and do well in school - well, that's more than just a little wacky.

7 votes

#1.51 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT

abolish taxes

All you right wingers should just tell your kids that Bush is still President, I guess, so as to protect them from Obama.

5 votes

#1.52 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:23 PM EDT

questforfire

It is a sad thing that Brandon can garner fifty votes with no more thought devoted to this topic than accusing the source of being a propaganda shill. This type of argument is the best the Left has got, apparently. Best saved for the school yard, not serious discussion.

2 votes

#1.53 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:26 PM EDT

Mac - I salute you and anyone who has been in war - . 40-42 years ago for me, and something till this day I prefer not to talk about.. if you know what I mean?

No one has to do anything they wish not to do (within the laws of the country) - because of people like yourself, that fought to make sure we are safe. I have total disrespect for those that find petty illogical reasons and turn them into something nuclear... Mountain into mole hill syndrom..

The idea behind what I will call a tyraid - was to show that if one is going to allow/let previous White Republican Presidents talk to the children and their was no big deal as far as the citizens thought - and he himself (Bush Sr) said to the kids - Write Me - Then the shoe is on the other foot now - it is a petty thing - people should use whatever god gave them for brains, and let it go.. He is the President of the United States, to whom service members are to Protect. We may not like the guy - that is a persons perogative.. but to stick your nose in so deep - to involve yourself in something so petty - to act like inhumane - I say to the Christians - is that something that is Taught within your religion.. Off the track a bit - This is why I am a non-practicing Catholic - Too much Hypocrisy - and I find the people who supposedly practice their religion (most are fine) but there are some that are not getting their lessons in order within their religions... anyway .. that's all I've got to write about in this small minded topic about people who are small minded.

4 votes

#1.54 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT

CCArm

The real fear is that Junior/Juniorette will come home, look their parents in the eyes and say "gosh, I really LIKE President Obama".

10 votes

#1.55 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:03 PM EDT

USA4Him

questforfire,

did you also notice how they "collapsed" kshark's comment? the truth hurts

2 votes

#1.56 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT

Actually thats a pretty good analogy .... Now Cheney ???

Evil incarnate.

#1.57 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:26 PM EDT

Positive

I have to agree with Kiml--everyone should knock off the Hitler stuff--about anyone.

Hitler commited attrocities that should be unimaginable, yet they happened. Nobody, not this president nor the last one, has any resemblence whatsoever to that monster. (And I'm one of the people who think President Bush & co. did a lot of underhanded, unethical things). Still, not Hitler.

It also shows a lack of understanding when something so horribly significant is used in such a trivial, flippant manner. I visited Dachau concentration a few years ago and just being there, free to leave at any time, is still horrible. I admire the German people for keeping it there to serve as both education and warning.

So, how about we all stop trivializing what those poor people suffered?

3 votes

#1.58 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT

economics101

Sorry, its hard to be serious when one considers the inanity of this thread ....

3 votes

#1.59 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:01 PM EDT

Just Neli

headinthegame,

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

It would certainly make it easier to parent in this society, for example, if children were more important than the elderly when it came to healthcare.

But the left doesn't give a darn about parents in this society. It mocks them....

Right. And the minute the government reached out to offer you the help you complain you're not getting, you'd be out at a meeting, maybe with a gun, screeching about the government takeover of families.

If you are an ordinary person, reacting to information you receive via Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, I would suggest that you need to broaden your information stream and get out and meet some people. Do you know what "liberals" actually are? They are people just like you, worried about the economy, worried about raising their families. It really isn't necessary to make "enemies" of people who simply disagree with you.

If you are a manipulator or funder of this nonsense, I think you may have miscalculated. Americans are normally pretty apathetic, but the thought of ceding power to a raging mob will bring them to the polls by the million.

As well, these people you think you have under tight control, under your thumb, so to speak, ARE NOT STUPID. They WILL realize what you're up to and then you're the ones who will be afraid.

What goes around comes around.

5 votes

#1.60 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT

Positive

econ,

You do have a point. My comment wasn't directed at any one person or post. Actually, I usually don't rant. I just hear it everyday from both sides and Rush of course has been using it and it's been really starting to bother me lately---so today's post.

#1.61 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:26 PM EDT

abolish taxes

Questforfire, what is there to argue about in the speech exactly? What is there to get upset about in the speech? Do you actually expect people to have respect for those that irrationally rant and cry about something that no rational or logical being would be upset about?

7 votes

#1.62 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:25 PM EDT

I just saw George H. W. Bush (I liked the SR. Bush) on the ABC national news. It was a video of Sr. that was shown to schools. They did not show it all just a short clip.

Sr. said - quote - "Write me a letter and let me know how you would help me".

These extreme people calling Obama names(socialist , communists, czarist, fascist, marxist, hitler, Muslim, anti-white, anti-American, stupid, inexperienced, liar, and every other derogatory name) are really a small group of people. Just like the war protestors who protested W.'s war was a small group. These topics are legitamate concerns, but taken past reality to extremly radical. Some are racist full of hatred, some are not.

They are small groups that get a lot of attention from the so called media. The media THRIVES on this kind of coverage because it boost their ratings and makes them MONEY. Just like the Jerry Springer show. Most people who have extreme ideas like this - like to see the same thing over and over again. That is why Rush and Fox get such high ratings and cater to them. These extremist are indeed indoctrinated and radical. Many of this type are the ones at the Tea Parties.

We need health care reform.

5 votes

#1.63 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:40 PM EDT

Neale Osborn

I would love to read the speech as of last week, BEFORE the uproar. Do I think he was going to proselytize the children? I doubt it. But you must admit, this is the first time a presidential talk to the kids came with a lesson plan (which was MY biggest objection) even though it wouldn't affect my children. I must point out that not all, or even most, objections to Obama are racist, and HIS freedom of speech does not include the obligation of others to LISTEN. I do feel the woman was, to say the least, a drama queen. If you object, do one of two things- Either go to school with your child, watch the speech, listen to the lessons, and then teach your child what you oppose in it, and why. OR, you can merely keep the little darling out of school for the day. I won't have to do either, because we homeschool our kids. NOT for religious reasons. My kids have already heard the uproar about this speech, and are looking forward to listening to it, and then dissecting it for content, clarity, UHs ( what Obama seems to say every third sentence), and last but not least, what we disagree with and what we agree with. I have made it clear to them that the STATED goal is to convince kids to stay in school, study hard and shoot for your goals with all you have. Their response to this was "DUH, of course you should, Dad. Why does he have to tell them that?" Personally, I am sick of Democrats and Republicans, period. Nearly every thing wrong with this country is the direct result of these idiots trying to take powers specifically denied them in the Constitution, thereby cementing themselves in power. No gov't is ever going to do an efficient or economical job at running anything, so why do we keep letting them try (Let, HECK, we keep demanding they do it to us again)?.

Never mind, Libertarians are used to the feeling of disbelief we get when we listen to the fools ranting on both sides of the aisle, each claiming to just want to "help" us. The only thing they help is themselves, TO OUR WALLETS! I'm tired, cranky, and going to bed. I'll re-read this tomorrow, and straighten out anything anyone complains about then. Goodnight, All.

1 vote

#1.64 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:30 PM EDT

Mac-295039

Par4theCourse:

I salute you as well, thanks for serving and thanks for wearing the uniform. I have no ill against the President, his wife, his family, even his dog. I just do not always agree with some of his play calling. Pretty much that is it. I do not agree with those who just disagree with everything he does or says just to disagree with him, I respect him because he is our President. I just get a little "ticked" with this new rush or wave of comments that relate those who speak against the President as a potential racist. If I came across harsh then I do apologize. If I came across as rude to the Democrat crew then I do apologize. I am a Republican and I am out of the norm, I believe in a woman's right, the right to bear arms, gay rights, a strong military, stem cell research, and the seperation of church and state. So I am far from a conservative "right winger".

1 vote

#1.65 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 8:43 AM EDT

Agent 57

Hmmmm....right. It is much more befitting when the masses swoon and faint....

that's only in the minds of conservatives,,, and used to mock democrats, independents and liberals who vote for Obama, I'm objective and hopeful, not bowled over,,,

also he not my messiah as conservatives are so fond of using,,, that position is reserved for Christ... convervatives mock God when using that term for the President shows your contempt in all things..

8 votes

#1.66 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 9:29 AM EDT

....It always strikes me as odd in a hypocritical sort of way........when I hear so-called 'bible thumping' wrapped in the mantel of Chrstianity and Christ Christians........turn around and call Obama "The Messiah.

"(Thou shalt not use) Using the Lord's name in vain". The last time I checked, isn't that one of the 10 Commandments?

Unless of course they've all received the same divine text message from God's saying that because they're using it as Warrior's for Christ it's okay.

8 votes

#1.67 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 9:59 AM EDT

deccles02

headinthegame,

You're a hypocrite, period.

5 votes

#1.68 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT

Bingo Agent57

2 votes

#1.69 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 12:49 PM EDT

also he not my messiah as conservatives are so fond of using,,, that position is reserved for Christ... convervatives mock God when using that term for the President shows your contempt in all things..

Right on. I find it funny that conservatives go on and on about how "Obama must be [such and such] because of his associations with [some people]"...

People who worship God and Jesus Christ forget that Christ, in his day and age, associated with many people who were considered undesirables... tax collectors, the poor, the sick, the hard working man, the downtrodden. Does that make Jesus Christ a bad person?

6 votes

#1.70 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 1:06 PM EDT

"(Thou shalt not use) Using the Lord's name in vain". The last time I checked, isn't that one of the 10 Commandments?- Susi

Susi I'm thinking that was another typo, should have read:

"(Thou shalt not use) Using the Lord's name in-sane..."

Yup that's probably why all the confusion...

3 votes

#1.71 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT

Oh. Wow. oh no!

Yet another reason for the 'watchers' to put a black mark next to my name.

She reads books. She writes. She encourages her daughters to succeed. And she knows what the 10 Commandments are.

Now, does she wash her hands often?

:-)

4 votes

#1.72 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 11:22 PM EDT

Mike in AZ-1141523

Because unfortunatley criticize is all the left knows. They criticize without knowing the facts and when the facts are presented, they change topic.

20 votes

#2 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:42 PM EDT

Mike:

"Because unfortunatley criticize is all the left knows. They criticize without knowing the facts and when the facts are presented, they change topic".

What "Facts"? Not a "Lefty" or a "Righty", just curious what "Facts" you're referring to. Thanks.

22 votes

#2.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:50 AM EDT

Therese Nelson

Dear Mike in AZ,

Good post! Yes, there is much hate comments from the left, what they do not understand that the dissatisfaction about the Obama White House Appointments, Policies and Shut up, sign it, I'll decide for you is not acceptable for many previous Democrats, Independents and Republicans. The Van Jones Appointment should have never happened, BUT it did, and WHY would Obama want to surround himself with someone like him?

I am careful what is taught to my children. I have seen the reckless decisions, morally and financially from Obama/Pelosi and their friends. Pelosi cannot even put through the Ethics Investigation of her friends. Not very encouraging.

To belittle this woman and her misgivings after the radical choices of the Obama Administration and his reckless spending and radical Appointments is not even reasonable.

4 votes

#2.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT

kind of like our POTUS opening his mouth about the police in CT. Gee..... He had no idea of the facts, but the big mouth still opens and criticized them.

5 votes

#2.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT

To Therese Nelson -

" I am careful what is taught to my children. I have seen the reckless decisions, morally and financially from Obama/Pelosi and their friends. Pelosi cannot even put through the Ethics Investigation of her friends. Not very encouraging. "

Do you have a place where you lock the kids up in their rooms or just one room? Meal time is such and such, beware the boogy man ...

First off and I do not think this needs repeating but obviously it does - Your buddy Bush Jr. - ya know that 1/2 wit from Texas (nothing against Texas) - that semi-educated moron from there? He is killing people, he and Reagan & Bush Sr., are killing people as you sit comfortably where ever you are on the computer complaining about spending... Guess what else? They are the reason for your humungous bills - your credit card going over 33% in some cases in interest each month.. they are the reason for all of this death, foreclosures, everything.. Why? Because they had a guy in charge of the FED who screwed people left and right.. Yes - Clinton had him too... but majority rules with the 3 stooges.. Obama - President Obama and the Federal Govt. (US) has all the money.. yes they can print it, play monopoly with it, they can burn it or use it to pick their teeth.. One Reason for the expense and the budget and the National Debt - WARS - 2 of them (again thank you Bush Jr) - He did not include the EXPENSE of these 2 wars in the Budgetary process. In otherwords he hid them Purposely!! Yes.. so when your children grow up and hopefully smarter than the parents who are teaching their kids to be disrespectful and hate and pass lies around.. maybe some day in the future the world will be a better place.. but for now we have people who Think they know - I wish some would stop thinking and start doing something and with the imagination to positively grow with hope and a good spirit for all.. Christians if you are - or if there is any... you should all either grab your books and start reading your psalms.. or drop the Christian act because I haven't seen anyone on here that is close to a Christian - only supposed Christians that slap the face of others, demean people, lie, spread mistruths, condone the hatrid towards a fellow human being that is trying to spend money to help your kids to have better lives in the future.. Some christians!! I'd prefer to salute the Devil in Hell then to be friends or associates of those who act the way some do in this country..

Get your facts straight .. Sure ... I may not know it all but I sure do know that there is nothing Negative about this president.. he received our country in the mess from prior BushWhackers that through their hands created the mess you are in.. we all are in.

20 votes

#2.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:24 AM EDT

What are the "facts" that this woman has made her assumptions of indoctronation on? "I don't like the way he's leading the country" doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to go all Glenn Beck. You'd think the woman was letting her child listen to a sex offender or something...though I guess I shouldn't say that, because that will just end up becoming the Right's new rumor about Obama...

21 votes

#2.5 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:24 AM EDT

She talked of raising of her kids.. Then she got political.. one or the other? Once you bring in the politics into raising your children then you open the door to it when you speak of

I have seen the reckless decisions, morally and financially from Obama/Pelosi and their friends. Pelosi cannot even put through the Ethics Investigation of her friends. Not very encouraging. "

5 votes

#2.6 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:29 AM EDT

LS-415070

I am careful what is taught to my children.

So, I would presume that means your kids aren't in schools and are home schooled, right??? Otherwise, the teachers might give an opinion that does not coincide with yours. So, this should be a non issue for you.....if your kids are home schooled, don't add this to YOUR curriculum!

Oh, and if you do send your kids out into that big bad world, they're going to get various opinions and options from others. Don't discount that....you and they might learn!

14 votes

#2.7 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:53 AM EDT

Aalaf Alot

Adding to LS-41507 point

I remember reading and hearing Right Wing Conservative parents talking about home schooling or complain public education system allowing integrated schools. How horrible putting White and Black in the Same school? Or Teaching some type of Sex Education? Or Teaching Evolution? And many other issues and topics. Right Wing Conservatives say the same thing.

I am careful what is taught to my children.

Guess what? The kids experience a major culture shock and reality of the world.

Irony, many of the prostitutes and worst sex offenders either come from really horrible broken homes or really Right Wing Conservatives Religious home. Both Sides of the extreme with one that is predictable, broken home and other is utter amazement, so true.

That is why you hear so many jokes about the Minister Daughter. I willing to bet the Minister was careful in teaching her daughter.

6 votes

#2.8 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT

Just Neli

Mike in AZ,

Because unfortunatley criticize is all the left knows. They criticize without knowing the facts and when the facts are presented, they change topic.

Huh? Who is this "left" you're referring to? The so-called "left" is millions of people just like you, working hard, trying to do their best for their families and their countries. They sometimes criticize but often praise, they laugh and they get mad. They may have a beer once in awhile, or a coke or a glass of milk. The probably go to church. Their kids are probably playing with yours right now.

They're people JUST LIKE YOU. It isn't necessary to make enemies of people just because you disagree about politics. They are Americans!

neli

5 votes

#2.9 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:31 PM EDT

bacchus-194320

And the right-wing, don't forget about them even attacking a speech before they know what is in it. They are going to be little red-faced, they of course never get embarrassed, not intelligent enough for that after our President gives it.

#2.10 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:29 PM EDT

We mock the gullible, those who can't think for themselves, and those who look at the facts and see nothing but their own fear.

Presidents have been doing PSAs to school children, the public at large, and the world for as long as I've been alive (over 40 years), and there wasn't talk of indoctrination, that I can recall.

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

Instead of using parents as political tools to further their agenda and to try to get them back into office based on fear voting, the right-wing should buckle down and work with their colleagues and rivals to help fix the problems of this great nation. Kicking your feet in the sand, metaphorically, and spreading lies to get people on your side doesn't go good well with building your credibility.

46 votes

#3 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:47 PM EDT

Mike in AZ-1141523

David,

There is a huge difference between PSA's and what Obama is doing. It's very unusual and inappropriate to be asking every student in America to read his book for one.

Luckily our school district is allowing parents to "opt out" of having their kid/s from listening to his garbage. They will be in the auditorium doing homework as opposed to having to listen to his speech. This is a great option that I'm sure districts all over the country will be doing. This way the child doesn't miss school and they can actually get school work done.

5 votes

#3.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT

There is a huge difference between PSA's and what Obama is doing. It's very unusual and inappropriate to be asking every student in America to read his book for one.

What? Where's the link for that? I'm searching the White House site to find where he's encouraging children to read his book...

37 votes

#3.2 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT

thelopes

What? Where's the link for that? I'm searching the White House site to find where he's encouraging children to read his book...

The line being taken way out of context is a suggestion that teachers have their students "read books about Presidents and Obama."

Some have problems with reading comprehension and see words/meanings that aren't there.

35 votes

#3.3 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:15 PM EDT

Does this mean most republicans?

9 votes

#3.4 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:13 PM EDT

DanaR-1273622

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Everyone knows how you feel DanaR... It just remains whether you read your views directly from a conservative-stamped index card or not...

david is just mad that van jones is gone.

Personally, I never really knew the man, even though I was on the email list for his green organization. Makes no nevermind whether he comes or goes. If we miss out because he had some talent or leadership skills that we missed, it's really our misfortune, now isn't it?

But just look at the tolerance and compassion coming from david, a true obama drone.

But why stand around when right-wingers are slinging mud... I thought "turning the other cheek" was a conservative Christian mantra...

This still has little to do with mothers being pissed at Obama's speech, or mothers caring for their children's education.

25 votes

#3.6 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:40 PM EDT

Heck if a murderer like Bush Sr & Bush Jr can visit a school room to discuss Staying in school - then President Obama who hasn't started any wars should be able to go into a school.. Bush Sr. instructed the kids to Write Him .. but no no no - Not President Obama.. I would say to President Obama - go ahead tell the kids whatever - Bush Sr. did.. he did it under the protest of the Democratic Party... and We all know what happened when Bush Jr. was in a school sitting in a kiddie seat with the book upside down reading what was it ? The little engine that could, but wouldn't get up off his butt for 7 minutes?"

Some examples the school kids had with the Bush S&L Scandal Kings - What stinking Hypocrisy.. I cannot believe the stupidity!! I seriously think If I had the money - I would open up my own Roman Colleseum.

18 votes

#3.7 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT

KGMO

I cannot believe the stupidity!! I seriously think If I had the money - I would open up my own Roman Colleseum.

Shhh! We're going to have one at the FEMA concetration camps. Don't spoil the surprise.

9 votes

#3.8 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT

How the heck are you KGMO ? I know, I have this problem, it called "Telling it like it is", the straight poop for poops. I have never been accused of beating around the bush, when you have to say things..and yes, I would make a lousy diplomat, diplomacy for me is like going around the edges when I learned in the service, go for the juggler. I still believe, and I saw a while ago on here now, and I use it because it fits, that the "Chicken Littles" of the Republican side need to have many counselling sessions with a good psychologist.

The sky is not falling people - President Obama is going to talk to school children. After the terrible things the Republican Bush family has done to our country - both of them Sr. & Jr. One would think that parents would want someone who is actually using 200% more of their brain then they did, and to encourage their children to stay in school considering around 30% of today's kids in school are Dropping out because of the LACK of parenting skills that is out there. Parents worry now, but where are you when a 4-6 year old boy is walking around the streets of Boston at 1 in the morning, while a parent abondons not only him but a daughter in the apartment... This goes on all the time.. Where are the parents in raising their kids now that you are so concerned because of a Black President is going to speak to your kids about staying in school and being Responsible which most parents are not... Those who sling the mud of fear should have have a clean house. Does anyone here have a clean house/skeleton in the closet ?

KGMO - I guess you could call me a little tense on this topic.. but it is so absurd it should be on Ripley's Believe or Not. How asinine, that these people who *itch and complain about something this petty are actually parents, and are left to teach the future how to be responsible, how to show Respect towards other people, how to show disicipline in the way one behaves.. Gawd.. if anyone is a Christian and acts this way, I suggest you quit the faith, because it isn't working.

8 votes

#3.9 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:28 AM EDT

KGMO - I believe that there is many millions of people out there that if lucky, go to work every day trying to provide for their family, and struggle to keep a roof over their heads. I also believe that there is a few snots out there that all they know how to do is to get into trouble by Assuming things that are not evident, or what they presume to be true facts go completely nuts over absolutely nothing. This type of person and the reason I use the phrase "Chicken Little" is because they think things are going to go wrong where there is no evidence of anything to prove it will. They are like addicts all hyped over stupid things that use what they have for a brain to rouse suspicions, lies, and pretenses that are not true.

Reagan & Bush Sr. told the little children to stay in school, and they also told the children to write them. This big crisis is over that? I think the people who act like they have act like Chicken Little (one of many Bush Jr's books). These 3 Presidents did more harm to this country, because of them people you see the great mess we are in today financially, and why jobs are over seas, why companies have accounts in the Caymens, why thousands of our men & women have died in Iraq & Afghanastan, how Iraq got WMD's, where Osama got his training from, why Iran is ticked off at us, why Chavez says the things he did about Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr... You would rather have these so-called men talk to your children than one who has done no harm or did not start any wars, did not kill anyone, has opened up his heart to children to go and speak to them in the hopes they will aspire to something great, and to stay in school... this is the harm??? I fail to see the Common Sense angle in the opponents that would think that this would do harm to the children. I really do.. I think people better start getting a grip on themselves and start looking in the mirror before they judge another angle or his reason for going to a school. People who think he is going to do harm should be ashamed of themselves...what idiotcy.

11 votes

#3.10 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:56 AM EDT

KGMO - Shhh! We're going to have one at the FEMA concetration camps. Don't spoil the surprise.

lol - Sorry - I just read something on here - and I went off - sorry to those who had to read it all.. my tyraid for the day... I hope.

If I was President - people would have to worry... I"m sorry KGMO - any more surprises my atenolol will not be effective anymore.. ha Concentration Camps? Some people cannot even use their minds for thinking... I am sure this time around FEMA will actually do what they were meant/setup to do.. gather up all the fruitcakes, place them on a slow leaky ship to Antartica, and use blood sacks on the bow to lure Orca and Great Whites.

5 votes

#3.11 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:02 AM EDT

Mike in AZ, please provide where Obama is encouraging kids to read his book. thank you

11 votes

#3.12 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:01 AM EDT

tyler

But just look at the tolerance and compassion coming from david, a true obama drone.

Cut it out, DanaR-1273622. Mind the first rule here.

2 votes

#3.13 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:29 PM EDT

Kimi - One thing that all people no matter what ethnic group it is - no matter what the teachings or who or what they are.. People are people first, not everyone is the same, and I think I can speak for most here when I write - That not all Republicans act nor do they believe the same, like Democrats not everyone acts or believes the same.. this is what makes the world interesting and challenging. It would be a boring place if everyone thought the same way as everyone else... it would easier.. but life isn't easy. If you are a Republican good for you.. just believe what you hear 1/2 the time.. believe what you read the 1/2.. but always be an Independent person who perscribes to their own drummer.. Believing wholly on one idea can place you in a box - use your imagination, be your own person, and never take one person's word for it...You can believe some of the people some of the time, but you can believe me all the time. lol

1 vote

#3.14 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:49 PM EDT

Dana

Name calling does not an argument make. David has many reasonable and good points, and judging from the number of votes he is getting most on this board agree with him, not you. Thanks, David for your input.

Van Jones made the same mistake as you Dana - name calling. It is unfortunate because he is highly respected for his knowledge and expertise on the environment and could have been a lot of help to President Obama and our country.

We need health care reform.

3 votes

#3.15 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:30 PM EDT

Name calling does not an argument make. David has many reasonable and good points, and judging from the number of votes he is getting most on this board agree with him, not you. Thanks, David for your input.

Thanks, Knight. I don't feel that I'm a political powerhouse, but I feel like I'm being positive, and doing what I think is right, at least for me and my conscience.

2 votes

#3.16 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:58 PM EDT

Agent 57

#3.17 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT

But the left doesn't give a darn about parents in this society. It mocks them....

John Holdren 0bama's current science Czar wrote this in his book, which fits perfectly with the liberal view of parenting!

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;

• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

This asshat is another whacky Czar and should go the same way that Van did (fired by 0bama is OK, or he can fall on his sword like Van did to save face for 0bama) either works for me! Maybe the libs attacking this mother are on board with this idiocy! hmmmm

18 votes

#4 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:50 PM EDT

great comment darkestdonnie!

10 votes

#4.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT

Chuck1968

Hmmm ...why do I have the feeling that this is a selective out of context passage?

oh yeah, because it is...

The Washington Times a statement that said,

"This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization."

...

The White House also passed along a statement from the Ehrlichs that said, in part, "anybody who actually wants to know what we and/or Professor Holdren believe and recommend about these matters would presumably read some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times, rather than going back a third of a century to find some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement."

28 votes

#4.2 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:16 PM EDT

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Nice deflection... you can't prove that your points are right, so you attack and bring up out of context clippings to distract from the topic of the article. And the topic of the article is to whine and complain because the left wingers are attacking a "helpless" right-winger who fell prey to right wing propaganda. I guess this was supposed to be the "hey, let's b*tch about the lefties" vine...

29 votes

#4.4 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:07 PM EDT

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No, you probably didn't see anything wrong with Van either, did you?

Actually, I didn't see his speech. If he's resigned his position because he felt he did something wrong, then he's on his own.

Van Jones and the Science "Czar" still have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Oh, and see #4.2.

20 votes

#4.6 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 8:04 PM EDT

"hey, let's b*tch about the lefties" vine...

I think if you did some checking you would have to conclude that it is far more the "let's b*tch about the righties" vine..."!

Van Jones and the Science "Czar" still have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Ah, but my first comment does tie Holdren and his creepy ideas into this very topic, now you're deflecting!

7 votes

#4.7 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:09 PM EDT

DanaR-1273622

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No, Dana, we tell the truth. You don't like the truth, so you call it attack.

So, I can understand why the right are scared of Obama's speech -- he is going to encourage students to stay in school and work and study hard. I can see how some would consider that dangerous.

25 votes

#4.9 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:37 PM EDT

Ah, but my first comment does tie Holdren and his creepy ideas into this very topic, now you're deflecting!

Using information cut out of context from a repub web site about Holdren's book as a rubber stamp for all liberals? Wow, that's a stretch...

13 votes

#4.10 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:45 PM EDT

thelopes

Notice how those obama supporters really try their best to avoid what obama's science and health advisors have said.

I don't see any avoidance. I see clarification.

It is very easy for someone to take a bit out of something, ignore the context or the surrounding information, and present it with a slant. It would be a real sight to defend that same position once the context is presented.

Those on the left cannot refute the facts, hence all they do is attack.

Where is the attack in 4.2?

18 votes

#4.11 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:49 PM EDT

Notice how those obama supporters really try their best to avoid what obama's science and health advisors have said. Only proves that margret sangers eugenics is still alive and well in the far left.

This is why those on the left have an issue with Palin calling this issue, death panels.

Those on the left cannot refute the facts, hence all they do is attack.

This entire vine is an attack. It's an attempt by the right-wingers to back up their whiny-crybaby attack on the president. The right-wing leadership generate a "I love my country" crying story to make it look like they really care for the country, and then their drones spend all their time propping up their new idol, even though they know the foundation of their brand new Colossus is standing on a sandbar of lies and deceit. And then they talk about how the left is "attacking them" (oh wah wah) whenever they are rebutted or evidence is thrown in their faces.

What's wrong? Didn't you guys have Glenn Beck around to cry for you? Maybe Jimmy Swaggart, he does a good job.

You guys just can't get Limbaugh to cry, cause he doesn't have any tear ducts.

21 votes

#4.12 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:53 PM EDT

Karri-M

No, Dana, we tell the truth. You don't like the truth, so you call it attack.

So, I can understand why the right are scared of Obama's speech -- he is going to encourage students to stay in school and work and study hard. I can see how some would consider that dangerous.

Good point, Karri, I think all those conservative parents are afraid that their children are going to find out that Obama isn't any thing that they described, that their parents LIED to them about how Obama wants to take everything away from them.

26 votes

#4.13 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:56 PM EDT

Using information cut out of context

Really? What is out of context?

Oh and has Holdren himself denied it, repudiated it and no longer believes what he wrote or was it just some low level hack saying it no longer applies? I am just sayin!

about Holdren's book as a rubber stamp for all liberals? Wow, that's a stretch...

You are of course correct and I should not have lumped them all together! But Holdren, 0bama's man, his representative with the science industry is exactly that and as such 0bama accepts, no embraces his views like minded per se. So those two are lumped together as well as Van Jones and his wacky views but he fell on the sword for his leader and the greater good. Don't you, being a liberal identify with 0bama? So maybe I wasn't wrong after all. hmmmm

7 votes

#4.14 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT

Really? What is out of context?

Because your "clip" is a copy paste from at least a half a dozen right-wing blogs, without any other text giving more basis to the list.

Oh and has Holdren himself denied it, repudiated it and no longer believes what he wrote or was it just some low level hack saying it no longer applies? I am just sayin!

From a Washington Times Article "Hot Button"

When asked whether Mr. Holdren's thoughts on population control have changed over the years, his staff gave The Washington Times a statement that said, "This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization."

Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana Republican, did ask Mr. Holdren during his confirmation whether he thought "determining optimal population is a proper role of the government." Mr. Holdren said he did not.

16 votes

#4.15 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:09 AM EDT

I think that the right is afraid that if their children stay in school they will become smarter than them and realize that their parents lied to them.

14 votes

#4.16 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT

brenda-311995Deleted

Your answer proves my point exactly. Please use spell check.

8 votes

#4.18 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT

brenda, the kids in this country are not smart because their parents let them sit on their fat asses all day watching tv, playing nintendo, texting friends, talking all day on cell phones they should not have in the first place until they can pay the friggin bill. It takes a lot of folks to educate a kid not just a teacher. If you blame the govt schools for inadequately educating a child, you are barking up the wrong tree. Parents sit on their asses and wait for the teachers to educate children who have manners and discipline of tree monkeys. Education and discipline should begin at home. Teachers need something to work with.

9 votes

#4.19 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT

A person can believe anything they wish, it is how far they would be allowed to go within a certain administration... and Yes it can be true, but not always does it reflect on the person doing the hiring... If one estrapulates from the suggestion via innuendo that the President feels the same way.. the next time you see a murderer or rapist get arrested ask the employer if he / she felt the same way about performing either.

1 vote

#4.20 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:52 PM EDT

Brenda

The government runs the US Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard pretty good. Also, Your local police and fire department are run by the government. Trash collection the FBI - CIA. Most Seniors love Medicare just ask them, I have asked many with no negatives.

As far as public schools go - Why don't you send your kids to private school. All of the executives of the health insurance companies do. They send their children to the real expensive private schools in Cadillacs. The have nannies and servants. When they get old enough they get a Corvette to drive. Their kids are indoctrinated with making money.

Your arguments needs a lot of work. First of all they are mostly emotional. Try taking a class in debate. Name calling does not an argument make. To quote a Beatles song "Life is easy when your eyes are closed".

4 votes

#4.21 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:06 PM EDT

Darkdonnie

the next time you see a murderer or rapist get arrested ask the employer if he / she felt the same way about performing either.

That would depend, did you hire them for there ideas or for the physical labor they can do! hmmmmm

If they were doing the lawn for 0bama I have no problem with them! In reguards to policy that is where they should probably be, using a weed whacker!

1 vote

#4.22 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT

Chuck1968

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

Ask the government? LOLOL!!!! That is precious!!!!

almost as good as...

"I hate socialism but don't take away my medicare!"

The best way for right wingers to make it easier to parent is for them to quit breeding altogether.

In fact that alone would go along way to saving the world!

It would certainly make it easier to parent in this society, for example, if children were more important than the elderly when it came to healthcare.

Gimme a break .

The right has already used our senior citizens pretending they give a sh*t about keeping Medicare when they've actually been trying to screw them out of it and close the program.

Two faced a$$holes. Serial bullies.

So now right wing terrorists are going to use their feigned concern for "the children" again . Any parent who is crying over this BS is either a tool of the right wing, or a victim of the right wing terrorists.

26 votes

#5 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:03 PM EDT

Remember, the right-wing loves to attack, and then feign victimization when rebutted. Just listen to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter for any length of time, if you can do so without destroying your tv/radio. Carrie Prejean has basically adopted this tactic, as well as Gov. Sanford.

27 votes

#5.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:19 PM EDT

Their mantra is "lie, lie and lie again until it becomes the truth".

If they are caught in a lie. Lie again.

Do I see a pattern here? Sorry, I must be lying.

21 votes

#5.2 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT

I'm sure we all deal with gossip "grape vines" every day. We know that information starts off small, "Obama is pro-choice" and gets shifted around, since people rarely remember the same story the same way, "Obama is pro-abortion"... next thing you know, you're hearing how "Obama forced some doctor to leave a baby in the dumpster to die". The only difference here is that the people starting the stories on the one end KNOW that the information is false, but allow it to grow and propagate.

18 votes

#5.3 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:43 PM EDT

Positive

David,

I think it goes further. I think many of the people who propagate also know it's false but just hope they can get enough people to fall for it. Otherwise, why would people not get made when GOP leaders stand up and make blatantly false statements to them in order to scare them? (Look at S. Palin's silly Death Panel statement). I have to believe that some of them have to have the good sense to have comprehended that was utter BS but since it promoted what they wanted, they just repeated it anyway. Very shameful!

2 votes

#5.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:47 PM EDT

Zenkarma

liberal mockery? you've GOT to be kidding me. it's more disgust, disappointment, disdain for ignorant moronic right wingers to take their kids out of school b/c the potus is giving a speech on EDUCATION. it shows the intelligence or lack thereof of the parents. tell me when 'lefties' EVER pulled these kinds of childish antics when reagan, bush sr bush jr gave schoolyard speeches? please humor me with your wisdom. we need to have kids to understand? Uh no we don't. We just need common sense and the brain capacity to understand that parents who do this are purely doing this b/c he's a black president with scary 'socialist' ideas. I suppose if obama was a greedy, self absorbed, unempathetic bully republican you'd support this. kinda like your support when bush, reagan gave theirs. i find it disgusting and typical of how far off the deep end the conservatives have taken themselves. oh and the crying conservative wacko, yeah she's a few fries short of a happy meal. someone should have child services check to make sure she's even fit to be a parent! crying? b/c of a presidential speech on education? someone please give her her meds quick!

24 votes

#6 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:00 PM EDT

ScienceGuy-356641

These parents are expressing their Constitutional right to be ignorant asses and preach bigotry, intolerance, and hatred to their children.

34 votes

#7 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:08 PM EDT

I believe it is fair and good parenting to tell your children that Obama wants to tax the crap out of people like me and destroy our American dream...that is in fact what he wants to do.

2 votes

#7.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT

What is this American dream you keep spouting off about?

7 votes

#7.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT

I believe it is fair and good parenting to tell your children that Obama wants to tax the crap out of people like me...

You make more than $250K a year darn right you are going to get taxed. Hopefully at the 90% level, so take out your check book and start adding zeros to that check.

5 votes

#7.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT

I believe it is fair and good parenting to tell your children that Obama wants to tax the crap out of people like me and destroy our American dream...that is in fact what he wants to do.

Your connection to these "facts" as you call them is dubious at best. You claim to know his intentions, but you can't link his actions to those said intentions.

5 votes

#7.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:47 PM EDT

As I wrote in another area of newsvine - It does a disservice to the child to have the knowledge that it is easier to take the easy path by not going to school because you do not like something there, then it is to face your fears or someone elses's opinion... and You are always correct in this case right - and you do not have to listen to anyone else.. Censoring people because you do not like their point of view.. no one communicating with the right is so difficult.

1 vote

#7.5 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:05 PM EDT

kingland

I sure wish NASA would get to work on that Space Elevator, so maybe my kids, perhaps, can get the heck off this crazy planet.

Okay, so maybe that's a bit of an overreaction to all this Left vs. Right goofiness.

Or is it?

10 votes

#8 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:40 PM EDT

servus_aus_tex

Protect her child from what? The truth?? The fearmongering, scare tactics, and labels against Obama that she is so worried about have absolutely no basis in fact or TRUTH!

Cry me a friggin river for this willfully and blissfully IGNORANT Mom!

I'm thinking, so what is the basis for all the insane accusations coming from the right-wing about Obama? Being from the South, and having seen this type of thing before, where all kinds of "reasons" and "justifications" are put forward for the behavior, yet when you analyze it, those "reasons" and "justifications" have no basis in fact or truth, you decide then WHAT is really motivating this behavior.

Racism and bigotry. Good old-fashioned racism and bigotry. Well there is one other possibility. All the people doing this work for the insurance companies. But I don't think so.

21 votes

#9 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 8:07 PM EDT

Remember, Obama bowed to the Saudi King and smiles with dictators like Chavez http://tinyurl.com/mgfr5z

Obama is not a good example of a leader.

1 vote

#9.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT

Remember, Obama bowed to the Saudi King...

So what, bush's daddy bowed to the Queen of England and swore allegiance when he got his knighthood. Junior will do the same when he gets his.

3 votes

#9.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT

Ledif Nieht

Also, Bush kissed him directly on the lips and walked around the White House holding Saud's hand.

How soon we forget.

6 votes

#9.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT

Headinthegame - Yes he most certainly did - For some it is a surprise because after 8 years of thumbing his nose and who knows what else to heads of state, shoulder rubs to the Chancellor of Germany and a wink, and winking at the Queen of England is real Diplomacy...and let us not forget the comical scene of him exiting a stage through the wrong door, and that goofy face.

One of the Reasons the President is elected - is because he Represents this country.. and in doing so he has to aspire to being diplomatic.. it is better to respect your enemies then to throw hatrid in their face..

2 votes

#9.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:12 PM EDT

USA4Him

The left will attack anything and anyone that are not "tolerant and open-minded and so on.....

Why could'nt they be tolerant of this crying mom? She surely does not need their compassion or understanding, the public already knows how they are, if it does not go their way...thats when they use "racism,bigots and everything else.

3 votes

#10 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:41 PM EDT

The left will attack anything and anyone that are not "tolerant and open-minded and so on.....

Ummm... yes? The right claim to be open minded, but then the next thing out of their mouths is a bunch of hate speech and misinformation.

Why could'nt they be tolerant of this crying mom? She surely does not need their compassion or understanding, the public already knows how they are, if it does not go their way...thats when they use "racism,bigots and everything else.

Maybe they use "racism, bigots" whenever any of the other explanations for the rights behavior doesn't make any sense or falls away to dust.

15 votes

#10.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:59 PM EDT

dougefreshy7336Deleted

ruthee

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

You want to know what the govt. can do to make it easier to be a parent in this society? Provide affordable access to health care.

20 votes

#12 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:44 PM EDT

Amen. They don't want to work on that, they just want their shot again. And they'll roll over or use anyone they need to, in order to accomplish that. And if they ever get back into power, it will be the old "rich over poor, corporate over worker" status quo.

19 votes

#12.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:06 PM EDT

HennaMuse

Totally! I started off a stay home mom. We even homeschooled for a while. I have to work now because our heath care premiums are 1/3 of my husband's income. (BTW, that's with a good job as a writer for the premier company in our city. We're not undereducated irresponsible and unemployed like a lot of people seem to assume is true of all who are struggling with health care costs. Heck we're not even ill!)

13 votes

#12.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:01 AM EDT

brenda-311995Deleted

HennaMuse

Stop with the sarcasm and anger already. I'm a democrat and I agree that some of the republican ideas should be incorporated into the the bill. I've go lots more to say on the matter, but we're not talking about health care here, so I won't. Just stop assuming that every liberal, every democrat, all have exactly the same set of views and opinions.

ANGER AND SARCASM PREVENT CONVERSATION AND PROGRESS.

5 votes

#12.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT

Brenda

We do not get access to 1300 Insurance companies because the lobbyist of the insurance companies helped write the laws.

Get rid of Lobbyist
We need health care reform
We need election reform - If a 3rd party presidential candidate can get a good number of votes they should be eligible for matching funds as the republican and democratic candidates do.

#12.5 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:43 PM EDT

It would certainly make it easier to parent in this society, for example, if children were more important than the elderly when it came to healthcare.

I agree, it takes a village to raise a child. Well, it is easier to raise a child if you have the support of your village/society. And, yes, we do need to have better health care for our children and young and middle aged adults. That is the purpose of the health care debates.

But, Obama's speech to school children is not about these issues. It is about the importance of getting a good education, about staying in school, about working hard and studying hard. Isn't that putting our children first?

Can someone PLEASE tell me what is wrong with encouraging school children to study and learn?

19 votes

#13 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT

Can someone PLEASE tell me what is wrong with encouraging school children to study and learn?

They don't know, Karri. They just rewind the tape and play it again... hopefully if their diatribe is heard enough, it will be come truth, but don't hold your breath...

16 votes

#13.1 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:02 PM EDT

What a bunch of Ledashas

8 votes

#14 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT

Tiocfaidh Ar La

(rolls eyes)

2 votes

#15 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:09 AM EDT

Don't you find it is interesting that Bush proved himself to be a lousy student/business man/governor/president and all around louse and yet Obama has to prove himself. Why? They don't care Bush wasn't qualified so why does any president from here on out have to be qualified? If Obama is as much of a failure as they claim what's he going to indoctrinate the kids into? Wouldn't you have to be really smart to mesmerize a bunch of kids and brainwash them into communism in about 30 minutes? It takes an entire year to teach kids to put their name on their paper and we are supposed to believe Obama can indoctrinate them in 30 minutes? If he is as stupid as they claim how would he know what communism is? If Obama can indoctrinate the nation's K-12 children in 30 minutes into socialism/communism we need to fire him. I want to personally hire him to teach my daughter calculus in say 10 minutes. I mean you could get a Doctorate in about, what a month? He could BE our nations educational system, fire ALL the teachers and Obama can teach school via TV and we can get these kids through 12 years in about 6 months!!! We can save trillions!

PS I hope he doesn't give any golf tips during his speech. The trees have been taking a beating down at Belvoir. Obama's been attacking the environment, now why haven't we been reading about THAT in the paper, knocking the bark right off the trees. One ball hit the tree and came back at him and about got him between the eyes. I want to see his score cards, F the transcripts. We could have a future generation of lousy golfers, there's a worry!

11 votes

#16 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:40 AM EDT

Carol-99

Bob, I think Obama's really smart, but not enough to "mesmerize a bunch of kids and brainwash them into communism in about 30 minutes?" I guess some of these parents think that he has more power over their children than they do.

15 votes

#16.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:23 AM EDT

maybe, just maybe, some parents believe in following procedures and local laws. Our local school board sets the curiculum for our children, and that is where all this should have started.

I elected my school board to do just that. I voted for a president to run the country, and apparently he can't do that, so why should I let him talk to our kids....

An example of what not to be ???? That's an idea..

1 vote

#16.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:37 AM EDT

Our local school board sets the curiculum for our children, and that is where all this should have started

It did start there, look up O P T I O N A L. The speech and the curriculum are both optional, so what's the big deal? Is there a reason your school board couldn't say no or develop their own curriculum around it?

5 votes

#16.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:47 AM EDT

it only became optional after all the negative feedback. No Bob, it didn't start there. The info was sent to teachers and never discussed by the school board.

Fortuanately our school board did make it optional, and it a local poll here, over 60% will be keeping their children away from listening.

It's not the topic per se, but the amount of lies we have been told, and we don't trust the government to do what they say they will.

1 vote

#16.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT

it only became optional after all the negative feedback. No Bob, it didn't start there. The info was sent to teachers and never discussed by the school board.

So, you're saying that the Obama Administration has a list of all the teachers in the country?

1 vote

#16.5 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:17 PM EDT

The speech and the handouts were always optional, they did change the content of the handout to reflect the feedback. They can't mail direct to teachers in our system and the lesson plans must be approved, the teachers can't just decide "oh I'm doing something different today". So even if miraculously they had every teachers address the teachers would have had to turn it over for the approval process.

If your system is set up so teachers get direct mail and they have no over sight it is your problem not Obama's.

1 vote

#16.6 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:05 PM EDT

Happyblue

I'm a parent, I'd classify myself as liberal but I tend to fall more on the side of fairness and justice first before any political agenda.

As a parent I did want to protect my children from an administration that declared war on Iraq. I wanted to protect them from an ever increasing massive debt they will incur as adults because of the misguided vendetta of the Bush Administration and the billions they borrowed to pay for a war they could not afford. It would have been nice to hide the news of Katrina, torture, the fact that America allows countries like China to come to Guantanomo to torture their citizens, human rights abuses across the world, the total disregard of the Geneva Convention. I tried to protect them from Bush's NCLB but that was fruitless, without the money for a private education, they were forced to take part in the education policies of the US Government, decreed by Bush and company to get what is a less than stellar education in the US. They lived in the city, they went to school in the city, they have seen the poor, the hungry, the homeless, they have waited hours for health care. they have experienced a real America. Can't protect them from everything, now can we?

So definately, a message encouraging the importance of education is horrible indoctrination, they might grow up and want to go on to further education or something because the President said so.

16 votes

#17 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:06 AM EDT

jimbobbogue

Just when you think the right couldn't possibley get any @!$%#ing stupider you get some Fox watching @!$%#ing moron say liberals don't like kids. This is an all time low in ignorance, a scraping of the bottom of the toilet bowl for bottom of the bowl feeding, proud to be stupid, my mommy is Glenn Beck, my daddy is Ann Coulter, half-wit inbred, brain dead conservative assclowns. Only a right wing moron would try to politicize parenthood, maintain that anyone who disagrees with their ideology dislikes or wants to harm children. What the @!$%# is the matter with you people. Get some help, you morally bancrupt scum.

13 votes

#18 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:27 AM EDT

typical name calling......

Is that all the liberals can do???

You make everyone else's point by opening your mouth.

Keep up the good work, so next election we can get some people that care in office. Not politicians, but people with a brain.

#18.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT

MichelleUT

Keep up the good work, so next election we can get some people that care in office. Not politicians, but people with a brain.

So, I assume by that statement, you don't mean Republicans will be taking over?

9 votes

#18.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:39 AM EDT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402741.html

Well, the one thing you proved by that comment is that YOU won't be taking over.

#18.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:33 PM EDT

jimbobbogue

I know, let's get some assault rifles and go to a town hall meeting, or better yet let's take them to a polling location next election so we get the results we want, just like the asswipe Taliban. Only difference between you wacked out right wingnuts and the Taliban is the brand of weapon ( AR15 vs AK47) and your brand of religeon but you share the same @!$%#ed up Fox watching mind set.

4 votes

#18.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:57 PM EDT

Kara-Z

Oh my GOD. I love newsvine, because I get to read articles written by crazy people. Seriously, I needed the laugh. I would try to address all of the absurdities and distortions (and unwarranted martyrdom) enfolded so neatly in such a tiny passage, but I think I'd rather just let everyone else do that.

Whoever you are, you really, really need some counseling. This level of self-pity and paranoia HAS to be pathological.

OKay- maybe there is something I want to address...

How is the Left hard-hearted? Here's something the 'Left' has never had to do- TELL people they're 'compassionate.' The right-wing has been so NON-compassionate, they had to make a concerted effort to try to SEEM compassionate. Or, to at least TELL people they are.

It's like someone who has been a total @sshole to you finally recognizes it, and they then TELL you that they're going to try to be nicer. Or, like when someone beats their spouse, and then apologizes afterwards. And promises to never, ever do it again. But then they do. Rinse and repeat.

I'm sure children do affect people's emotions. But they shouldn't cause people to undergo a spontaneous lobotomy. Seriously, use your BRAIN.

How does the left care more about the elderly than children? As opposed to whom? The Republicans??? Where were you when Bush took health care away from poor children? And then said, 'Oh, well, that's what we have ERs for..." Send your tear-soaked letters to Bush.

Yeah- it DOES suck when the STATE interferes with your children- like FORCING them to swallow the LIE of Creationist 'theory.' Okay- I'm done now. I'm not laughing anymore.

21 votes

#19 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:00 AM EDT

ol doc gold

I don't mock moms that care about children...I happen to be married to one!

I DO mock moms that get literally hysterical on cnn for all the world to see, because in her paranoid little world, the gub'ment wants to brain wash her precious little one...

Yes, I mock her, and I will mock her until clarity hits her like a ton of bricks and she comes to her senses...in other words, I will mock her forever.

25 votes

#20 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:03 AM EDT

EllieP

Instead of mocking parents, the left ought to embrace them, ask what the government can do to make it easier to parent in this society.

True, headinthgame. The federal government was established to support the people, not the other way around. It's powers to do so are specifically limited to keep them from becoming tyrannical. The control airwaves, yet do little to keep them safe for children. They control the courts yet children are more at risk for perversion and violence than ever before. The standing of children and their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a joke. Instead, our government focuses on social justice for criminals and money-mongers who prey upon them.

It would certainly make it easier to parent in this society, for example, if children were more important than the elderly when it came to healthcare.

Here is where you and I diverge opinions. I do not view the elderly as a blight on society. Those who came before us and built the economy that sustained our childhoods and young adulthoods and held up their end of the deal their government mandated at the time should not have the rug pulled out from under them. Any (much-needed) change to medicare or social security should take a very long view (three generations) to reset the mentality that humans are, indeed, capable of providing for their retirement years. The attitude should be to form a more perfect union though the sensible empowerment of citizens.

And, btw, the elderly can be at least as stressful to their children as children are to their parents, both financially and otherwise. :-)

8 votes

#21 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:31 AM EDT

ol doc gold

here is a taste of irony for those that think the "callous hearted" left are the only ones that mock "Moms who care about their children"

does the name Cindy Sheehan ring a bell? You know, her son DIED because of Bush's poorly executed war...how many conservatives mocked her?

What is the worst that this lady's kids have to worry about? A President challenging kids to excel? a President giving the message that ANYONE can do ANYTHING if they put their minds to it and work hard? a President who extolls the virtues of giving back to ones community?

How many kids are going to die because of Obama's speech?

cry me @!$%#ing river!

23 votes

#22 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:27 AM EDT

took43583

Good point, doc. I seem to recall right-wingers calling Sheehan not only crazy, but a communist, terrorist, and traitor as well.

12 votes

#22.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT

LS-415070

It's no wonder the world mocks us. We are so closed minded that we can't even have an address by our President to the children of our country!!

This is called opinion. I have mine; you have yours. Do they have to be the same? Nope! But guess what? You need to listen to mine if I am to listen to yours! Don't think that your opinion is the only one that matters!! It's not!! Neither is mine! If we all listened to each others opinions, we might just learn something new or have a different viewpoint to look at and consider!

By telling your children that you don't have to listen and this is wrong and bad, all you are doing is instilling in them that they don't have to listen to anyone and their word is the only right word! Well, buddy, it ain't!

Before you condone, know what your condemning. Perhaps this could elicit some dinner conversation about what the President says and how it varies from your beliefs, but that it does not make it wrong. It's just different from you believe. Letting your kids decide....hmmmmm, what an option!

12 votes

#22.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:15 AM EDT

Debi-940055

I fail to see how keeping children away from information of any kind is good for them. Kids can digest and understand information, especially if they are provided with appropriate tools, like discussion with parents and teachers. As a college professor, I saw students in my classes every semester who had been sequestered like this and when they were finally presented with information and viewpoints other than their own they were shocked. Keeping people in the dark about controversy and differing viewpoints on issues is not a good thing.

As for which side is more invested in education and its improvement, let me remind everyone on the 'vine that the Republicans have tried to eliminate the Department of Education and have worked hard to destroy public education as a part of their official policy platform. Reagan started this in 1982. One of his campaign promises was to eliminate Education as a department at the Federal level, to save money in the budget. The Cato Institute, a right-wing organzation, provides this information, from 2004:

"While the Republican congresses of the mid-1990s are most famous for their efforts to eliminate the department, their goal was not a new one. Conservatives had talked about eliminating the department since its creation by President Carter. President Reagan made a campaign pledge to eliminate it, and renewed his promise in his first State of the Union address in January 1982: "The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education.""

Reagan never accomplished this goal, which he presented in terms of "states' rights" to control education.

Right-wing ideologues like Grover Norquist and Karl Rove have been trying to destroy public education for decades. So please, don't suggest that the left doesn't like children: it's the right side of the aisle that has been opposed to everything promoting children's welfare.

14 votes

#23 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:52 AM EDT

AlphaDogReporter

Considering the Republicans in Congress were the ones against funding the SCHIP program and who also tried to dismantle the No Child Left Behind act I think we know who really doesn't care about children.

Also the right-wing smear merchants like Hannity, Malkin and Beck among others who flat out called Obama's speech to schools "indoctrination" in order to spread paranoia just goes to show they don't care about children either, just fear-based viewer retention.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909030013

At last count thanks to them around 20,000 schools are not going to broadcast the speech to their students. This is UNPRECEDENTED.

11 votes

#24 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:46 AM EDT

mudfloper

I'll mock her! What a crock!

Sorry but idiots like her are the same nutcases who pander to anyone.

They are the ones caving to Johnny in the store as he screams bloody murder for not getting his toy.
They are the ones who have the obese tykes who think of McDonalds as the "supper store".
These are the ones whose daughters go into the service and get stationed in Iraq thinking this is band camp and wondering how their hair and nails will recover!

Grow up, get a clue. It's your double standard showing one more. It's ok for Bush to address kids, but not that half breed president is it?

What a crock.........

7 votes

#25 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:53 AM EDT

I'm sorry but you know, as a mom, what brings me to tears is when my daughter for the first time in her life is at a 4.2 GPA and she's so thrilled, so excited she runs to the Dean of Students, asks permission to use her cell phone to text me the. She's a senior.

Now, that's worth crying for.

When you go through all the hard work, sleepless nights, hours of helping, prodding, quizzing, project help, running out at 11 p.m. to buy more paper or supplies, cramming for exams, sitting up with them as they work through tough assignments and they're so beyond exhausted the finally finish an hour before school and are in tears......a week later.....they run to you with a smile and a big red A.

Now, that's worth crying for.

When your child says, I'm not stressing. I know what I have to do and I'm going for it this year. I'm happy. I love my school, my family, friends, my boyfriend. I feel great. I'm a senior and I'm graduating in May and nothing is slowing me down ever again!

Now, that's worth crying for.

When your child comes to you and says mom, I want to go to this college, but I know I haven't met my full potential to get in and I know we don't have the money, but it won't stop me from going to college. I'm going to community college and then transfer to the one I want to go to. And you realize your child is mature beyond their years or the credit you give them.

Now, that's worth crying for.

When your child simply says "Thanks Mom" for making sure I got the best education you could afford and you did it alone. And no one or nothing stopped you.

Now, that's worth crying for.

When I hear my president stepping up and by his example expecting our children to step up and excel, reach their potential and then reach beyond that.

Now, that's worth crying for.

12 votes

#26 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:57 AM EDT

Nan-813417

you are right, Susie, they are worth it!

4 votes

#26.1 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 10:52 AM EDT

Wow, Susi, your story is worth crying for. Sounds like a great parent-child relationship.

4 votes

#26.2 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT

Thanks Nan & Karri

:-)

2 votes

#26.3 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT

Three Cheers Susi... Three Cheers, ohh and many tears worth crying for (~: You did good girl.

2 votes

#26.4 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT

Thanks sweetie! :-)

I know, I'm utterly and shamelessly biased, but I'm proud of her.

:-)

1 vote

#26.5 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT

suz47

Perfectly and so eloquently said Susi....Our children are worth so much of our love and attention.

1 vote

#26.6 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT

Thanks Suz47 :-)

1 vote

#26.7 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT

The Left Now Mocks Moms Who Care About Their Children

Oh, wait, isn't Susi liberal-leaning? Aren't liberals supposed to hate children? What's wrong with this picture? Or, are we mocking her because she is proud of her daughter?

(PS I am an unabashed liberal who is extremely proud of my children. Plus I am active in several groups that promote children's issues. Again, what is wrong with this picture?)

4 votes

#26.8 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT

Shhhh! Karri-M We're being watched!

We can't be liberal, left-leaning, Democrats, be moms and Gasp! Be proud of our kids.!

We're baby killers just like Nazi's killed the Jews.

We can't advocate for children and families because GASP! We're liberal!

I mean I'll have to erase 4 years of my employment history working as a case manager at a Resource & Referral agency in San Francisco providing subsized childcare assistance to low income families.

I'll have to never admit that I was active in all my daughter's schools sometimes to the point of exhaustion.....because hey, I just mated for mating's sake and well my daughter is just one of those collateral things that happen.......you know I probably ate my own placenta, too. Because I'm just savage and animalistic that way.

Good Lord so who the hell cares if she's finally achieved a 4.2 GPA? Seriously, what an utter waste. She has zero potential anyway. She's just a breeder like I am. She needs to mind her place and go get pregnant and then get on welfare because well you know she is bi-racial and you know us minorities......we're nothing but blights on society.

Yeah......I'm a monster.

Boo! Run!

Karri-M nothing is wrong with our picture......because like every other mother on this planet that understands that being a mom is the most important job we can ever undertake.......the day we become mothers is the day we stop being THE PICTURE AND BECOME THE FRAME.

So......I dare anyone come to me here on the Vine and tell me how bad a mother is. And prove it.

Bring it!

:-)

3 votes

#26.9 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT

So......I dare anyone come to me here on the Vine and tell me how bad a mother is.

You won't hear me calling you a bad mom. You've proved how good you really are.

(I get the same thing around supporting the military. Just because I am liberal I can't support the military, even though they are my community. And now I guess I can't be a good mom even though my kids have been the center of my life for the past 25 years.)

2 votes

#26.10 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:54 PM EDT

I know I pulled up a soap box and my heel got caught so I just kept rambling! LOL

But thanks Karri-M, I know you're a good mom, too.

Oh! Ut oh. I was one of those for 12 years!

Thanks for supporting us......but you're aren't supposed to! ;-)

Damn! I'm just all sorts of wrong for this country aren't I?

lol

1 vote

#26.11 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT

You brought back a memory with my highly right-wing sister-in-law:

"Your kids are so well behaved... I wish my kids could be like that...What's your secret?" she asks.

"Umm, well I don't beat them into submission, I talk with them and they talk back... It's called a conversation."

This conversation ended quickly as she ran to spank my little nephew. I do not believe in harming a child to make them see your ways. They must process this on their own to become a positive productive person in society.

3 votes

#26.12 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT

Nuff said DYHAF! High-5

Damn! Spanking a kid into submission to bend his innocent wills to hers.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

Oh no! Not our president telling our kids to succeed! Oh no! The horror! Dive into your bunkers.

But don't forget to spank your kids on the way in!

4 votes

#26.13 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:37 PM EDT

LMAO!!! Oh Susi you always know how to get me rolling on the floor!

Now if I could just remember where I hide that damn key to the bunker...

3 votes

#26.14 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:41 PM EDT